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    by Four-Fifty-X » Sun Sep 10, 2006 5:49 pm

    drbsandler wrote:It's like riding MX on a busy sunday. You'll probably be OK but you can get seriously hurt.
    Eat Good, lift weights regularly and get as much aerobic exercise as you can whether on your bike or elsewhere. There are NO SHORTCUTS when it comes to fitness. I've been an emergency physician for 15 years and lifting weights for 25 years. I've read almost every 'scientific' article out there on creatine. There's a big difference between an article in men's health writen by someone with an exercise 'degree' and a double blind, randomized, placebo-controlled scientific study in a medical journal. Don't believe everything you read. I'm telling you, there are a lot of reported cases of renal failure from routine recommended doses of creatine.
    Every shortcut comes with a price.
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    Barry: While agree with your comments that there are no shortcuts, I defy you to produce one single solitary article that states creatine causes renal failure. If you produce a single one, I'll eat my hat.
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    by drbsandler » Sun Sep 10, 2006 5:52 pm

    I'm too busy to look for an article and frankly not interested. I know a heart surgeon that went into renal failure from it. That's good enough evidence for me.
    Good luck
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    by Asmith » Sun Sep 10, 2006 5:52 pm

    Four-Fifty-X wrote:I defy you to produce one single solitary article that states creatine causes renal failure. If you produce a single one, I'll eat my hat.


    I sure hope your hat's not made of Creatine!!! :lol:

    I hear it causes renal failure!! :lol:
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    Re: want to ride all day?

    by Four-Fifty-X » Sun Sep 10, 2006 5:53 pm

    hondafan wrote:Hey guys! ive been taking creatine monohydrate to get stronger and the last few times riding ive noticed i dont get arm pump anymore and i can ride all day long now! this is some good stuff and has no side effects! i strongly recommend it if you are working out too cause my strength has increased dramatically and so will yours. im always ready to ride now. i think its helping me sleep well also. its awesome.

    http://www.gnc.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2133642&cp=2167077.2108320.2102405&parentPage=family

    If you do take Creatine, the one recommendation I have is that you should drink more water than you usually do, so you do not become dehydrated. When you take it, more water that usual is absorbed by your muscle tissue, which is part of the reason for strength and size gains.
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    Re: want to ride all day?

    by lumpdog » Sat Dec 23, 2006 3:33 pm

    hondafan wrote:Hey guys! ive been taking creatine monohydrate to get stronger and the last few times riding ive noticed i dont get arm pump anymore and i can ride all day long now! this is some good stuff and has no side effects! i strongly recommend it if you are working out too cause my strength has increased dramatically and so will yours. im always ready to ride now. i think its helping me sleep well also. its awesome.

    http://www.gnc.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2133642&cp=2167077.2108320.2102405&parentPage=family


    That sounds soo to serious , i understand that we all wanna be stronger fitter and faster , hell maybe even younger and im only 24 but dude that cant be good for you . Green turd :shock: I know blue urine is a sign of madness ( apperently ) so you aint far off :lol:

    I dont think Ricky , Everts or David knight would dabble in those methods and thats probably why they have the endurance strength and focus to be where they are ;)
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    by Four-Fifty-X » Tue Dec 26, 2006 5:55 pm

    drbsandler wrote:I'm too busy to look for an article and frankly not interested. I know a heart surgeon that went into renal failure from it. That's good enough evidence for me.
    Good luck


    It's not right that you make statements that you cannot back up--especially when you are stating them as fact and not as opinion.

    If you're going to state that something is unsafe, I don't think it's too much to ask to produce a single objective, credible source to back up your position. "I'm too busy and I'm not interested" is weak.
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    by JAWS » Tue Dec 26, 2006 7:30 pm

    While far from conclusive, the excerpt below points out some concerns:

    Is Creatine Safe?

    Despite the positive gains made by people on creatine, many remain skeptical about the safety of taking the supplement. Dr. William Bryan, the Houston Astros’ team physician, believes the major risk of creatine is dehydration due to water retention in the muscles. Other risks include heat-related illnesses, reduced blood plasma volume, tetanic muscle cramping, muscle strain, and electrolyte imbalance. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers and the Cincinnati Bengals discourage the use of creatine by their players mainly due to the risk of cramping. ( http://www.lsms.org/journal/98creat.html) Dr. Bryan also believes that athletes will exhibit bad nutritional habits while taking creatine. In a survey done of the members of the Association of Professional Team Physicians, eight-five percent of respondents do not endorse the supplement at this time due to lack of knowledge over the long term effects of creatine. (http://www.mothernature.com/library/boo ... eatine.asp)

    One major fear over the use of creatine is kidney disease. Overdoses of creatine can cause stress on the kidneys. The creatine that is not used by the muscles is converted to creatinine and is a waste product. Repeated excesses of creatinine put a lot of stress on the kidneys and can cause problems for the kidneys. ( http://www.absolute-creatine.com/4.htm) A twenty-year old man on twenty grams of creatine a day for nearly a month developed interstitial nephritis, a disease of the kidney. The patient was hospitalized and stopped the use of creatine. After ceasing the intake of creatine, the patient improved dramatically. This provides evidence that the abuse of the supplement can cause great harm to the kidneys. (http://www.nejm.org/content/1999/0340/0010/0814.asp)

    Concerns arose after the stroke of a thirty-three year old man suffered a stroke after taking large amounts of Mahuang extract and creatine monohydrate. Vahedi, Domigo, Amarenco, and Bousser (2000) released a paper over the findings in this case. The man worked out two hours daily at a high intensity level. He consumed nearly 6000 milligrams of creatine daily for six weeks. He awoke one morning in January and suffered a stroke in 1999 (Vahedi et al.). The doctors did not confirm that creatine was the cause as the patient was taking other supplements at the time but it raises the question about the safety of numerous supplements including creatine. One big question that was raised was: is creatine safe when taken with other supplements?

    Another fear involves the dehydration and heat-related illnesses that can occur. Three wrestlers died in a very short period of time while using ridiculous methods to “cut weight” for wrestling matches. All three wrestlers were on creatine. Heat stroke was a possible cause of death for these wrestlers since they were training in very warm temperatures. Some argued that the addition of the creatine in their bodies caused their bodies to be put over the limit. Creatine is not proven to be the reason for the death of the three wrestlers but numerous questions were raised because all three consumed the supplement.

    Age is another issue in the fight over the safety of creatine. People wonder when it is safe for their child to take creatine. Ronald L. Terjung, professor of physiology in biomedical sciences at the University of Missouri-Columbia, discourages the use of creatine before the age of sixteen due to the lack of knowledge about creatine. “We don’t know the effects, so it’s better to be safe than sorry.” He encourages kids to stick with what is proven, hard work in athletic training. (http://content.health.msn.com/content/a ... 1676.50653)

    You can view the whole thing at:

    http://www.vanderbilt.edu/AnS/psycholog ... y.htm#five

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    by Baldy00 » Wed Jan 10, 2007 12:18 pm

    All of those stories are common in that creatine was abused. If you take a massive amount of multi vitamins it will do the same thing to your kindeys. You body will only use a certain amount of the supplement and your kidneys have to deal with the rest. Small amounts can help you but over dosing on anything will hurt you. I take creatine and other supplements but I take less than the directed dosage. No problems here.
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    by ANYTHNGFAST » Fri Jan 12, 2007 6:07 pm

    This article was published in a medical journal. Along with this one that goes against some dr.'s in here...

    http://www.springerlink.com/content/n7x6816n1848877m/?p=04afcd6eccb8488eb1301ce5f8de0967&pi=8
    Authors
    J. R. Poortmans, H. Auquier, V. Renaut, A. Durussel, M. Saugy, G. R. Brisson
    Abstract

    There is an increasing utilisation of oral creatine (Cr) supplementation among athletes who hope to enhance their performance but it is not known if this ingestion has any detrimental effect on the kidney. Five healthy men ingested either a placebo or 20 g of creatine monohydrate per day for 5 consecutive days. Blood samples and urine collections were analysed for Cr and creatinine (Crn) determination after each experimental session. Total protein and albumin urine excretion rates were also determined. Oral Cr supplementation had a significant incremental impact on arterial content (3.7 fold) and urine excretion rate (90 fold) of this compound. In contrast, arterial and urine Crn values were not affected by the Cr ingestion. The glomerular filtration rate (Crn clearance) and the total protein and albumin excretion rates remained within the normal range. In conclusion, this investigation showed that short-term oral Cr supplementation does not appear to have any detrimental effect on the renal responses of healthy men.


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    by Sammy Davis Jr. » Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:28 am

    I've been a bodybuilder in the past, used creatine without problems. I've also read studies that have shown this supplement to be safe. While I believe the "doctor", I think he's overstating the possible risks. 999 people out of a thousand won't have a problem with it...heck, MILK messes MY stomach up...'doesn't mean it'll mess YOURS up! One more thing: I got a great physique bodybuilding but I couldn't hold on to the handlebars! Now that I'm back to my skinny self, I can ride without losing my grip strength. Ironic. But I love riding so much, I'll stay away from the weights...just bicycling and uphill running. For now.
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    by JPrice » Wed Feb 07, 2007 2:01 pm

    Hi guys - my first time here so glad im able to comment. I race 2-3hrs in the UK & sprinkle a couple of table spoons of powder in my Camelbak with Lucozade sports drink when im competing I'd say it helps me overall especially helps recovery - probably more of a phsycological boost than anything but certainly dont know of any side effects. 8)
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    by HondaCRF230rider » Sat Mar 24, 2007 10:36 am

    ive been using creatine 800 its pills it works too not as well im guessing but it is working..
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    CREATINE PROVEN SAFE..... Yeah Right

    by joxcole » Wed May 30, 2007 11:07 pm

    Creatine MUST, 100%, ABSOLUTELY BE CYCLED TO PREVENT KIDNEY AND LIVER FAILURE!!!!

    I know, I know, this regimen sounds and aweful lot like Cycling Anabolic Steroids to Prevent Kidney and Liver Failure. You know why? Because Creatine is about 80% as Dangerous as Anabolics.

    Creatine causes fluid build ups around your muscles supplying them with an abundance of Nutrients that allow them to grow more efficiently. The problem is that Creatine is NON-SPECIFIC and also causes fluid build ups in the fatty tissues around your kidneys and liver. (This strangulates them and prevents them from getting the oxygen neccesary for life.)

    There are other amino acids such as Ornithine and Carnitine that work as well as Creatine (when they are formulated correctly) and they only create the fluid build ups around the muscle (NOT FAT) so they are safe.

    I am a nurse and my main goal is to teach people how to achieve their goals without hurting their bodies.

    TRY Buffing up and Prolonging your life instead of shortening it.
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    by djh65 » Thu May 31, 2007 8:44 am

    The supplement companies would never sell something that wasn't safe. Like phen-phen that was proven safe, until peoples hearts started blowing up like my 30 year old cousin. Think about it. If it makes your body do things it wont do naturally it can't be good. I thought about taking the juice when I was 17 then read about what it will do to you and realized it wasn't worth it. Long and short there are no short cuts.
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    Reduced Arm Pump

    by joxcole » Fri Jun 01, 2007 2:29 am

    If it is reduced arm pump you are looking for, There is a 100% Natural way of eliminating it.

    Alkalized water. This water is run through a water ionizer which pulls the Calcium, Sodium, Potassium out of half the water that runs through the machine and concentrates it in the half you drink. It produces water with a pH as high as 10.2 - 10.4 depending on what you start with. Without getting into the details it results in more alkaline blood that neutralizes the lactic acid produced my the muscles. A side effect of this process is it increases oxygen absorption from the water by breaking Oxygen clusters down from groups of 30 - 40 to groups of 5 - 10.

    Of course if you already have metabolic health issues and you overdo this water you tend to go into a coma and or die. I drink a gallon of it a day, but even tap water can put you in a coma if you drink tooooooooo much.

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