Wheels: Tusk Impact or Stock Anodized vs Warp 9
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    Wheels: Tusk Impact or Stock Anodized vs Warp 9

    by Moophasa123 » Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:22 pm

    Hey its been about 10 years since I've posted but bare with me.. 8-[

    I have a 2018 CRF450R and was looking to add black wheels at a fair (cheapest) price. I ride mostly desert and haven't been hard on wheels in my past. Here are the options I'm thinking...

    1. I bite the bullet and buy the full Tusk Impact set for $550
    a. Pro: No assembly required
    b. Con: its $550 ](*,)

    2. I disassemble the stock wheels and buy Warp 9 rims for $98 a piece.
    a. Pro: Only $200 total
    b. Con: Lace and true stock hubs to rims (never done before)

    3. I disassemble the sock wheels and have them both anodized black for $110 locally
    a. Pro: Even cheaper
    b. Con: Never anodized anything before; and will still need to lace and true the set

    I'd love to hear what you guys think. Also, do you feel disassembling and reassembling a set of wheels is worth the savings?
    (Asked the wife a 1000 times but she doesn't give AS) Thank you my dudes!
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    Re: Wheels: Tusk Impact or Stock Anodized vs Warp 9

    by Back2-2 » Mon Nov 18, 2019 6:25 am

    Hello, if you have never built a wheel before - be prepared. It not what i would can hard but it is very time consuming. Much easier if you lash the spokes together and pull the hub and spokes as a unit then reinstall it as a unit to the new wheel over having just a pile of spokes and a hub and wheel. But it is still a slow tedious job.
    Personally, I like the look of the black wheels but they do not stay that pristine look for long. Also a real pain to change tires without scratching them.
    Here is an option. I know people that took the time to do this and they turned out really good. Removed the tire, lightly sanded the rim and taped off all the spokes nipples. Used I think it was called Plasti-coat paint and sprayed them. It is a paint that is a rubber type of coating. When the time comes that you want to change color or remove and start over the paint coating peels off. I have seen tons of things done in this type of paint and pretty amazed at how it holds up.

    Or- just spring the $550 and then you have two sets of wheels. Dunes & Desert or different compounds for different terrains. You could also sell the OEM wheel sets to recoup some of the $550.

    Just a few options for you.
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    Re: Wheels: Tusk Impact or Stock Anodized vs Warp 9

    by JimDirt » Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:01 am

    My experience is its a crapshoot .......

    I lace my own (and other peoples) wheels , and as Neil mentioned , with any color other than silver , it is very easy to see the scratch on the surface , you scratch aluminum/silver rims the same , but due to the color it is not noticed as much since when you scratch a colored rim , the aluminum/silver that is underneath shows thru , with a silver rim , its already that color , so its still scratched , you just don't see it as easily till you are up closer ....

    With that said , it is a time consuming job (takes me about a hour from start to finish) , but I am cheap and on a budget , and I like working on my bikes , which is why I started lacing my own ..... another downside is the color will fade over time , especially if the bike is sitting either in the sun , or in the light from a window in the shop/garage .... I have done Pro Wheels , and Tusk and DID and Excel .... They all fade , how long depends on conditions

    This is my 06 450X , note that the rear rim is black and the front a bronze color ..... they are both black Pro Wheels installed/laced at the same time (around 2006).... difference being the front wheel was near a window and the sunlight did this within a few months
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    This is my 02 450R , again black Pro Wheels , both got equal sun exposure and I personally like the color , its a cross between black and gold rims (the same bronze that black wheels turned on my 450X)
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    Also note that I Anodized (you asked about Anodizing) my fork tubes on both bikes , Anodized by a shop that specializes in Anodizing ..... note that the fork tubes on my 450X still looks quite black while the tubes on my 450R look a bit faded , and are starting to look like the rims , which they eventually will ... The difference in the 2 bikes being my X sits in the shop the majority of the year while my R is ridden most every weekend so it is out in the sun more than in the shade ..... So Anodizing to save money is not going to give a different result , it will only be a cost difference .... :(


    .... note that Red wheels will turn pink or a shade of it , gold will fade to silverish , but seem to last the longest as far as holding their original color , blue tends to go the way of Dark Gray , green turn a shade of yellow-er green.....The time it takes this to happen varies from a few months to several years

    On a side note ... I want a newer CRF450 , what I will mostly end up with is the 2019/20 mainly due to the black wheels and the other improvements they made from the 17/18 .... but the black wheels are a major factor ..... even though I could lace my own , that also means I have to buy them to lace them .... which is a extra expense of around $200 give or take

    Bottom line , if your budget allows and you are not confident of your lacing skills (there is a video here of doing it) then go ahead and purchase the extra set .... the plus side is , you will have a extra set of wheels that you can install either a different set of tires for different track/terrains , and/or you have a set for play and a set for racing/practice and won't be wearing out your tires as fast

    EDIT: it looks like the pictures of lacing the wheel in the write up here is missing all the pictures.. https://www.crfsonly.com/forum/viewtopi ... ls#p115400 ... So I found a Rocky Mountain ATV video , that will give you the basics , if you feel like tackling it , this should get you thru it ;)


    EDIT EDIT: I forgot to mention I also have a black Tusk Impact wheel that I laced up to a black Anodized stock hub ...... it has not faded yet as it sits in the shop pretty much 80% of the time (been almost a year) ..... though it does show signs of wear at the bead of the rim from the tire compressing and rubbing the rim (this happens to all MX wheels) so it has a slight silver streak at the lip of the rim ...no biggie , but just so you know , even "normal" wear will cause the Anodizing to rub thru ..... and Powdercoating , will do the same ... bike wheels take more abuse than car/truck rims , so they just show the wear much faster

    But again , I want the 19/20 just because of the wheels .... So if you go into this with the knowledge that the wheels will look not as good in a year or so , then go for it ...... I would , but I would lace my own , but if the price was right and within the budget , I would buy wheels already setup as well .... ;) , if they get scratched up , just look from farther back and they will still look good .... :-$ , or bust out the sharpie before every ride to fool everyone that does not look closely enough to notice the scratches :-~
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    Re: Wheels: Tusk Impact or Stock Anodized vs Warp 9

    by Aussiecrf230 » Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:14 pm

    Hi Jim,
    I thought there was a video for wheel building / truing as well.
    Not sure what has happened to it.
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    Re: Wheels: Tusk Impact or Stock Anodized vs Warp 9

    by Back2-2 » Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:45 am

    Jim, an hour.... :^o :-~ That's prettttttttty good.

    It takes and hour to just ----- oh forget it. If you say so then it's true. :)

    Bet you can change a tire in 37 seconds too. ;)
    Neil
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    Re: Wheels: Tusk Impact or Stock Anodized vs Warp 9

    by JimDirt » Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:21 am

    Jim, an hour.... :^o :-~ That's prettttttttty good.

    It takes and hour to just ----- oh forget it. If you say so then it's true. :)

    Bet you can change a tire in 37 seconds too. ;)
    I am not talking about removing the wheel from the bike and removing the tire , I am just referring to building and truing the actual wheel ;)

    Also I run Tubliss for the most part , so tire changing is a bit different than that of doing a tube wheel , but in answer to your question , (with the wheel already off the bike) about 5-10 minutes depending on if its a front or rear tire and how stiff the sidewall is (fronts take a bit longer because of the tightness with the Tubliss) , using a 15 gallon oil drum as a stand and 2 spoons O:) ;) ... I could probably do it a bit faster if I was in a rush ... :mrgreen:
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    Re: Wheels: Tusk Impact or Stock Anodized vs Warp 9

    by JimDirt » Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:23 am

    Hi Jim,
    I thought there was a video for wheel building / truing as well.
    Not sure what has happened to it.
    Ray , as far as I know there was the A.S. pictured writeup , but the pictures were on Photobucket and are now no longer available , I do not recall a "video" wheel lacing post :-k
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    Re: Wheels: Tusk Impact or Stock Anodized vs Warp 9

    by Aussiecrf230 » Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:37 pm

    Took me an hour and a half the last CR 80 big wheel I did.
    I think the smaller wheels are more finicky to true, because normal size rims seem a lot faster and easier.
    Ray
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    Re: Wheels: Tusk Impact or Stock Anodized vs Warp 9

    by Back2-2 » Tue Nov 19, 2019 2:50 pm

    I guess you guys are just way better mechanics than I am.
    Last one I did was a trials bike rear with left and right side spokes - It sure wasn't no hour to do it.... :roll:

    I have spent over an hour just truing an out of alignment wheel. You guys should have went pro. ;)
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    Re: Wheels: Tusk Impact or Stock Anodized vs Warp 9

    by JimDirt » Tue Nov 19, 2019 4:14 pm

    LOL , at Neil ..... :lol: :lol: Me thinks you need to stop dilly dallying around and just just slap in the spokes , and snug down , then torque the spokes and move on , don't be so anal about truing it , if the wheel is straight , and you tighten it down evenly in stages , it will literally keep itself true .... and you're done ..... Don't overthink the next one , just casually assemble and let it seat itself as you go , I personally tighten by hand each nipple till it is just at the end of the threads ,,, then 1/4 to 1/2 turn in sequence till its snugging up (1/2 turn at first till it starts getting snug , then go to 1/4 turn) , then start torquing at lower torque ratings and moving up each completed sequence till I get to the required setting (usually about 45 in lbs on big bikes) .... Works for me .... then the first few times ridden , recheck , and once the wheel seats in then you are good to go for a while , I check mine each time after initial first few rides , then once a month or so , and have never had a spoke come loose or a wheel wobble .... ;)
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    Re: Wheels: Tusk Impact or Stock Anodized vs Warp 9

    by Aussiecrf230 » Tue Nov 19, 2019 5:33 pm

    I guess you guys are just way better mechanics than I am.
    Last one I did was a trials bike rear with left and right side spokes - It sure wasn't no hour to do it.... :roll:

    I have spent over an hour just truing an out of alignment wheel. You guys should have went pro. ;)
    Well Neil those wheels with different length spokes for left and right can be a bit more time consuming but should come together the same way once you have run the nipples equally down the spokes. I normally just true it up then back off the side I need to move the offset away from and tighten the side I want to move to. Trying to get an offset as you go takes forever and can send you insane.

    I have seen a enduro rider change a tube out in under 5 minutes including remove and replace the wheel. He was an older guy so he must have had plenty of practice.
    Ray
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    Re: Wheels: Tusk Impact or Stock Anodized vs Warp 9

    by Moophasa123 » Fri Nov 22, 2019 10:22 pm

    Appreciate all the feedback and damn you guys are quick! I just un-spoked my rear wheel on another bike and tried to relace it but just figuring out how the spokes align took me a few hours. Think I’m gunna bite the bullet and buy the tusk set. I just have a feeling I’m not going to get it right and end up paying someone to do it anyways.

    Also, I didn’t realize black wheels fade to basically bronze that easily/quickly. Does everyone have the same issue???
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    Re: Wheels: Tusk Impact or Stock Anodized vs Warp 9

    by JimDirt » Fri Nov 22, 2019 11:07 pm

    It just depends on the conditions ...... Bright sunlight will fade any color (except silver) and depending on it's color , like mentioned , Red really fades fast ... The "Pro's" who's bikes look perfect all the time , actually get new plastics and new wheels frequently , plastics usually only get used 1 race , triple clamps and bars , just as frequently ..... Any "wear" part , never is on the bike long enough to show signs of wear or discoloration , even wheels only are on a few races , along with Frames , etc. .... not good for advertising , so they don't tell you that their bikes look like new , because basically they are new , every race .... but us mortals (financially challenged)... don't have that luxury , that is why most Craigslist bikes have pinkish hubs and triple clamps ... or black wheels like mine that are no longer black ... but again , keep everything covered and out of the elements over extended periods and they will last longer , but they all will fade over time ... The length of time is highly variable ...... and Powdercoat does last much longer than Anodizing , but the cost factor is there too ....
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