i've got two sets of these...excel rims and talon hubs with bulldog spokes and nipples. they are much stronger than stock and look great (red hubs silver rims just like the factory honda team runs). one thing you'll notice is you don't have to constantly tighten spokes. this is a combination of the rim and spoke strenth and nipple durability. i'm yet to ding or dent any of these rims.