[Roady]

I will tell y'all one thing that adds points to the CRF unit. I don't think I have ever had anyone go above and beyond what was required in the way of customer service than Ken has. While I agree it will likely take any abuse we could throw at it (and it is a beautiful piece of work), I also know Ken backs his products.

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I will tell y'all one thing that adds points to the CRF unit. I don't think I have ever had anyone go above and beyond what was required in the way of customer service than Ken has.

I couldn't agree more, that has always been the case with the service I've received. Doug

[KevinM]

I will tell y'all one thing that adds points to the CRF unit. I don't think I have ever had anyone go above and beyond what was required in the way of customer service than Ken has.

I couldn't agree more, that has always been the case with the service I've received. Doug

Yup. No doubt.

[chasejj]

I had a Zipty on my KTM and have run Scotts as well. The Zipty and CRF's look to be one and the same, but personalized for CRF's with the red ano.

I think the Red ano on the fin is not such a great idea,as the first hit from a rock or scrape will tell you why. CRF's should rethink this and just ano the carrier portion in red and leave the fin in the natural color. It will stay looking good for a looong time as the one on my KTM did.
The Scotts is lighter and seems to be a bit more refined as the bulk of the fin is the thinnest part but is still reinforced like an "I" beam on the perimeter.
The replacement idea of the fin was a big concern for me when I bought the Zipty but I soon realized that a big enough hit to deform the rotor guard would result in the whole thing needing replacement anyway. 4 years and lots of rocks showed me just buy the lightest one that still holds up. That = Scotts IMO.

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Nope, the replaceable fin is a good idea for a lot of reasons.The Scotts isn;t "better", just different. If the fin gets buggered up, BFD, I'll just get another one.
Lots of us rarely ride in serious rocks anyhow, and the guard is more for logs and other trail trash.
I've rode and raced for over 30 years and never had any rear brake protection (since the advent of rear discs !) but the stock plastic,and never have bent a rear rotor. I've bent and cracked frames,forks,cases,rims,hubs but never bent a rear disc.
You'll find that a lot of the folks on here have a whole lot of loyalty to Ken, who owns this site. If you've never had the pleasure of doing busines wth him or his wife, Lisa, needing something from his online store you wouldn't know that the personal service they provide is unmatched in the industry. It's that good.
So, when he puts something out with his name on it we try to support that product.This protector looks rugged and functional enough I'm finally installing one !
I think it's funny sometimes at attempts at frugality, or deep thinking to save a few bucks, when we all ride 7 thousand dollar DIRT BIKES, and wind up with a lot more than that in them.
There's sure nothing wrong with trying to manage costs as much as possible, but sometimes the big picture and the hair splitting is pretty funny. Doug

[paul turner]

I think it's funny sometimes at attempts at frugality, or deep thinking to save a few bucks,{WHEN THE WIFE IS WATCHING} when we all ride 7 thousand dollar DIRT BIKES, and wind up with a lot more than that in them.{THATS LIKE 14 thousand TO THE WIFE!} Doug

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[Roady]

Lots of us rarely ride in serious rocks anyhow, and the guard is more for logs and other trail trash.

Definitely the opposite is true for many/most of us in SoCal (maybe on the West Coast)

I've rode and raced for over 30 years and never had any rear brake protection (since the advent of rear discs !) but the stock plastic,and never have bent a rear rotor. I've bent and cracked frames,forks,cases,rims,hubs but never bent a rear disc.

Wish I could say the same with regards to never bending a disc. I can say I have never bent one since running Scotts rear disc protectors since the late 90's.

You'll find that a lot of the folks on here have a whole lot of loyalty to Ken, who owns this site. If you've never had the pleasure of doing busines wth him or his wife, Lisa, needing something from his online store you wouldn't know that the personal service they provide is unmatched in the industry. It's that good.
So, when he puts something out with his name on it we try to support that product.

I continue to be pleasantly suprised by Ken's service. My most recent example being support for returning a product that I had extended the return time frame on. A tie goes to CRF's Only in my book.

[crfsonly]

there are several differences between ours and the zip ty "version". first ours utilizes a tongue and groove mount for the fin. it's not just bolted on the side of the fin. in fact i would say our design is stronger than the flatland racing replaceable fin design and no one i know of has reported breaking the replaceable fin on the flatland. "replaceable" doesn't equate to "weaker" as some have suggested. for example, the steering stem on your dirt bike is replaceable. does that mean it's weak and better design would be a solid machined lower triple clamp and steering stem? no. the same could be said of many parts of your dirt bike.

on the anodizing...i really like the idea of anodizing the carrier. i think we'll do that on our next batch. one of the reasons we are offering silver fins is red and black aren't for everyone. however, red and black do appeal to some and we wanted to offer a choice. if you're concerned about showing some trail scars on your anodized fin then i'd recommend the silver fin version.

ken

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Wish I could say the same with regards to never bending a disc. I can say I have never bent one since running Scotts rear disc protectors since the late 90's.

Which doesn't at all mean you would have bent one if you would have been using this new one, had it been available.

first ours utilizes a tongue and groove mount for the fin

That is a big difference.

"replaceable" doesn't equate to "weaker" as some have suggested.

I couldn't agree more. Doug

[RottenRob]

Lots of us in Ohio that ride mainly tracks rarely ride in serious rocks anyhow, and the guard is more for logs and other trail trash.

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Unfortunately/fortunately I ride in almost exclusively rocky terrain as do most of us west coast knuckleheads and that is exactly why we buy the rotor guard.

[Roady]

Wish I could say the same with regards to never bending a disc. I can say I have never bent one since running Scotts rear disc protectors since the late 90's.

Which doesn't at all mean you would have bent one if you would have been using this new one, had it been available.

Agreed, and not at all what I was implying. I was only responding to your point about never having bent one without protection due to limited exposure to rocks. Rocks are involved on virtually every ride here. Take a look at DD's Trials rider thread. While that is extreme, I have been riding that area around Charlie's Wagon Wheel for 35 years easy ... although not up the face like those amazing dudes.

I do not mean to imply inferior quality on the product, quite the opposite. I have voiced my approval for whatever non-existant value that provides.

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I have voiced my approval for whatever non-existant value that provides.

Your opinion is one I always look forward to by the way ,really.
Hey, I'd sure trade you some rocks for some of our mud Doug

[paul turner]

Silver unit in the mail, i picked no anodizing so i may beat it on the rocks.

paul

[chasejj]

I didn't mean to imply the CRF's only unit didn't look like a great unit. My bike happened to come with a Scotts or I probably would have gotten one as I forgot how nice they were.But both are more than adequate.

BTW- The Zipty unit I had the slide lock and bolt through system and looked identical. Maybe there are differences but they look like they are made on the same mill with minor differences.

The RED carrier would look nice with silver fin and would be the one I replace my Scotts with if it ever gets trashed.

[Roady]

I have voiced my approval for whatever non-existant value that provides.

Your opinion is one I always look forward to by the way ,really.
Hey, I'd sure trade you some rocks for some of our mud Doug

Thank you sir ... btw, be ready for some of those rocks when you get out here in '07. I'm hoping to crash in some of that mud instead of the rocks one of these days!