[The Jerk]

07 230 - stock except bbr exhast. has ran fine ll the time.

so the other day i went go riding and had a dead bat. so i coast sarted it. ever since it ill not idle. i havemesssed with idle stop to help but couldnt dil it in. today i got after it. new gas clean filter. choke on it tarted rite up. moved it te middle spot and putted around in 1st for 2-3 min. then ushd choke off. got warmd up and tried to dial in the idle. it died on me. and all day i can not get it to fire.

i have -
removd carb and bowl and cleand it. (this the 4th ride)it was so clean

i followd the flooding procedure

fuse was good

took plug out , it lookd great, sprayd start fluid in the case and no fire

it has spark

im at a loss, this thing is brand new and i just want to ride it. any help would be great.

thanks

[amaviper]

Did you replace the battery? Take it somewhere and have it checked/charged.

[The Jerk]

its been on a trickle chrger. it turns the motor over fine

[amaviper]

Then your pilot jet is probably clogged. They are a pain to start if jetting is stock. Turns over good with trickle charger disconnected from the bike?

[The Jerk]

yup disconected.

i have read alot on jetting but didnt want touch cuz it startd and ran fine.

hmmm, while i had it apart i removd the pilot and soakd it, it apeard to be free of debre. im a novice with bikes, this was my first time tearing into it. just in the dumps cuz its so new and like a light switch its dead.

i cant find pics of anything so im doing it all blind.

[amaviper]

What do you mean "sprayed starter fluid in case"? Plug getting wet? Gas in float bowl?

[The Jerk]

a bud suggested to take plug out and spray in the case and replace then start. no change, the plug did seem wet hen i firt pulld it.

bowl had fuel.

[amaviper]

1. Fuel Line Inspection (check fuel flow to carburetor)
Does fuel reach the carburetor?
No:
a) Clogged fuel hose or fuel strainer
b) Clogged fuel valve
c) Clogged fuel fill cap breather

Yes: Then
2. Spark Plug Inspection (remove and inspect spark plug)
Is spark plug wet?
Yes:
a) Flooded carburetor
b) Throttle valve open
c) Dirty air cleaner
d) Improperly adjusted pilot screw (or missing spring washer, o-ring)

No then:
3. Spark Test (perform spark test)
Is there weak or no spark?
Yes:
a) Faulty spark plug
b) Fouled spark plug
c) Loose or disconnected ignition system wires
d) Faulty ignition coil
e) Faulty igniting pulse generator
f) Faulty exciter coil
g) Faulty ignition switch
h) Faulty engine stop switch (kill button)
i) Faulty ignition control module (ICM)

No then:
4. Engine Starting Condition (start engine by following normal procedure)
Does engine start then stops?
Yes:
a) Improper choke operation
b) Incorrectly adjusted carburetor
c) Leaking carburetor insulator
d) Improper ignition timing (bad ICM or ignition pulse generator)
e) Contaminated fuel

No then:
5) Cylinder Compression (test cylinder compression)
a) Valve clearance too small
b) Valve stuck open
c) Worn cylinder and piston rings
d) Damaged cylinder head gasket
e) Seized valve
f) Improper valve timing

[amaviper]

a bud suggested to take plug out and spray in the case and replace then start. no change, the plug did seem wet hen i firt pulld it.

bowl had fuel.

Sprayed it into spark plug hole eh? Usually spray through carburetor. Remove air filter and twist throttle to raise slide and then spray. Then crank engine over. Stuff is not recommended. I have used it on engines before

Stuff evaporates fast. Will pass by the rings into your oil if you sprayed a bunch in there... I would try a fresh plug.

With plug pulled out of head, attached to plug wire and leaned against the cylinder head... Good bright spark?

[The Jerk]

excellent, was geting so narrow minded over this. i originally checkd spark with screwdriver in wire all was well. just came in from putting plug in wire no spark. robbd the gf's plug and it fired right up. i hope this was the idle problem too, find out in tm AM when i warm her up and adjust.

if anything i got hands on with the carb. so the good piolot is a 48 right?

ill update in the am. thanks posting up and rackn my brain

[amaviper]

I run a 48 pilot and 132 main in my '07. Some people run a 45 pilot. Still experimenting a little. I've done the CC mods on both of my 230s. '03 has the White Bros exhaust and the '07 I just pulled the baffle. Starts 10X easier than stock jetting. '07 I would have to crank it forever and it was hard to keep it running after it fired up. With the '07 you have to change the needle - only two positions on stock one. I changed the fuel screw out on the '07 also. '03 I can use a short standard screw driver.

With the power up options, it turns over two or three times and lights up... Before mods it seemed like it took 5 minutes of cranking if I let it sit for a week or so... Worth the cost of mods just to save wear and tear on the starter

Yours will probably run fine now. 230s are almost bullet proof.

[The Jerk]

thats where im lost, how does the needle come out for the main? the pilot was easy enough to see, ( ill be ordering the 48. mine has alway strtd right up even if it sat.

what is the fuel screw? i saw it in the store here but no idea what it does, lol

[amaviper]

Here 'ya go check these links out. Stock 42 pilot is too small that off-road.com uses. Might be OK for older models... Ken has a kit with a 45 pilot. The fuel screw works in conjunction with the pilot for adjusting fuel mixture from idle to 1/4 throttle. It is located in front of the float bowl in a recessed area. '07 has a "D" shape and you need a special tool to adjust the setting. You can get one from motion pro if you want to go that way. The after market - like the Kouba sold here allows you to adjust or tweak it without a tool. If you do change the fuel screw out, make sure you don't lose the spring, washer and small o-ring. Parts easy to lose. I put a towel under whole area to catch the parts. Also a little lube when re-assembly on the o-ring - like a little bit of vaseline is a good idea. Don't tighten the screw real tight either. You'll crush the o-ring. Don't ask me how I know this I heard it from someone else - yeah that's right - that's my story and I'm stickin' to it.

To get to the main jet needle you have to unscrew the cap off the top of the carburetor etc.

Links below have step by step and some pictures.

http://dirtbike.off-road.com/dirtbike/Project+CRF230F/Project-Honda-CRF230F---Part-1/ArticleStandard/Article/detail/380749?contextCategoryId=24439

I left the push pull cables on the carb. At least for now.

http://rickramsey.net/CRF230Fcarb.htm

You don't need the "swinger" tool. Just twist the throttle to raise the slide.

[heybuddy1901]

id try the 45 pilot, the 48 may be a bit too rich.

doing the needle on the bike can be a pain, and you could lose parts easily. taking the carb off is pretty easy, then you can work on a table or bench and have everything layed out so you know how it goes back together.

keep in mind the direction of the slide when you take it out, theres a notch in it, and the bike wont run if it is facing the wrong direction.

ive found the hardest part about the needle being putting the throttle spring/cam back together, it takes some finagling but just take your time and you should be all set.

[The Jerk]

finally got ride it around. idles and starts perfect again.
the dieing plug was the cause of it all.

thanks for the links too.