front forks on crf230
  • mdtoney
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    by mdtoney » Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:22 pm

    silstarnz wrote:can you please advise what you had to buy from reger?

    did you use one of there lower tripple clamps? No - I bought CR80/85 triple clamps off ebay and sent it to Reger.

    where did you get your top tripple clamp? The top triple is Pro Taper - I got it off ebay.

    did you order your springs from them? No - I got the springs off ebay.

    did you keep you key switch or remount it? I removed the key switch - my wife never used it.

    did you buy the 85/80 axle and use there adapter?
    are the forks length the same? or does the bikes front pitch change because the forks are shorter? I bought a CR80/85 axle and used the Reger wheel spacer kit, and caliper adapter. I didn't measure the 230 or 80 forks, so they may not be 'exactly' the same length, but they are so close I didn't notice any difference to the way the bike sits.

    Whats the best way to get hold of reger as I have just tried to call them and didnt get through I dont think leaving a voice message from NZ I will get a call back. When I first tried to contact them I couldn't get through for a couple weeks. I thought they went out of business. I turns out they were out of town. Once they were back in town I talked to his wife a number of times on the phone and she was great to do business with. Wait a couple days and keep trying.

    Did you get Reger to modify your lower tripple clamp? Yes - I sent him the 80 lower clamp, and a new lower bearing so he could press out the stem, modify the stem, press the stem back in, and press on the new lower bearing.

    what bearing did you use? bearings for a CR85 stem? It's been a while and I can't remember, but I think I used the CR80/85 stem bearings. I got the info somehwere on either the CRFsOnly or ThumperTalk forums. I'll look around and see if I can find it again.
  • silstarnz
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    by silstarnz » Fri Sep 23, 2011 2:03 pm

    Did you use one of there lower tripple clamps? No - I bought CR80/85 triple clamps off ebay and sent it to Reger.
    Mind if i ask what you paid for the clamps?
    I only ever seem to be able to find CR80 1980's clamps.


    did you order your springs from them? No - I got the springs off ebay.
    who was the ebay seller i have only found .28 for cr80's on ebay.

    What would you say that your converstion cost was?

    I Really appreciate your assistance.
  • mdtoney
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    by mdtoney » Fri Sep 23, 2011 2:47 pm

    silstarnz wrote:Did you use one of there lower tripple clamps? No - I bought CR80/85 triple clamps off ebay and sent it to Reger.
    Mind if i ask what you paid for the clamps?
    I only ever seem to be able to find CR80 1980's clamps.


    Thinking back, I got the CR80 clamp on craigslist, not ebay. I was getting parts from both places but most came from ebay. You should also search for CRF150R clamps since they are the same as the 80/85 clamps. The Pro Taper upper clamp I used is listed as CR85/CRF150R. I paid about $125 a couple years ago.

    did you order your springs from them? No - I got the springs off ebay.
    who was the ebay seller i have only found .28 for cr80's on ebay.

    It's been a LONG time now, I have no idea who the seller was. You don't need to use ebay, the price was only a few $$ cheaper there, but often times ebay is MORE expensive. The average price is about $100 on ebay, but if you look around you can find them as cheap as $80. Also search for CRF150R springs - I just saw some BBR .44 springs for CRF150R on ebay.

    What would you say that your converstion cost was?

    If I had to guess I would say I spent about $750 on the conversion, which is a mix of used parts (forks, lower triple, brake line) and new parts (springs, seals, fork guards, Pro Taper upper clamp, and the parts and machine work from Reger).

    By the way, I searched around a bit more regarding the stem bearings. This site shows the CR80/85/CRF150R/ and CRF150f & 230f all use the same stem bearing - http://www.xrsonly.com/dirt-bike-parts- ... 650l-93-08

    I hope that helps.

  • silstarnz
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    Can I use the forks and tripple clamp of a crf150r?

    by silstarnz » Fri Sep 23, 2011 9:44 pm

    can these items be used on my crf230F with the reger brake.
  • silstarnz
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    Re: Can I use the forks and tripple clamp of a crf150r?

    by silstarnz » Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:20 pm

    silstarnz wrote:can these items be used on my crf230F with the reger brake.


    sorry I ment if I was to buy CRF150R forks are these the same as crf150r forks?
  • mdtoney
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    by mdtoney » Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:56 am

    Not sure I understand either of your last 2 posts - please clarify, and I'll do my best to help.
  • silstarnz
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    Tripple Clamps for conversion

    by silstarnz » Tue Oct 04, 2011 5:38 pm

    is the bottom tripple clamp for a 08 CRF150R the same as the CR85 /80's?

    I have a reference of Yolk 10253 7A

    I wanted to know if it would fit for my conversion
  • mdtoney
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    by mdtoney » Tue Oct 04, 2011 5:53 pm

    Since aftermarket bearings, triple clamps, and stems are all marketed as 'CR85/CRF150R', that tells me - YES it will fit.

    http://appliedrace.com/shop/index.php?m ... ts_id=1599

    http://www.motorhelmets.com/htm-bodypar ... rf150r.htm


    http://appliedrace.com/shop/index.php?m ... ts_id=1425
  • silstarnz
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    by silstarnz » Tue Oct 04, 2011 9:33 pm

    mdtoney wrote:Since aftermarket bearings, triple clamps, and stems are all marketed as 'CR85/CRF150R', that tells me - YES it will fit.

    http://appliedrace.com/shop/index.php?m ... ts_id=1599

    http://www.motorhelmets.com/htm-bodypar ... rf150r.htm


    http://appliedrace.com/shop/index.php?m ... ts_id=1425



    Cheers for that I am starting to get a bit bummed out about this conversion im struggling to find forks at a price i can afford?

    did you have to revalve your cr85 forks? because I have been looking at getting crf150r forks as the getting is for a closer weight to my crf230

    or can i just run heaver oil in the forks?

    what did you do? MDToney
  • Aussiecrf230
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    by Aussiecrf230 » Wed Oct 05, 2011 3:34 am

    silstarnz,
    What is your intended use of the bike.
    It may look cool with the USD fork but it may be overkill depending on use.

    No matter what forks you end up using, the correct rate springs are the first thing that must be sorted out.

    That goes for both front and rear of the bike.

    If the springs are not right for your riding weight the bike will never handle and ride well.

    I sincerly doubt any bike is delivered with the correct rate springs to suit most of us who ride, so don't feel that it is just a CRF230F problem.

    I am going to correct rate (heavier) springs and fork emulators as I only ride trails, so I am after better handling/comfort. I have no need to jump triples so can't justify the dearer suspension.

    The rear shock responds well when the correct spring is fitted as the spring does it's job and stops excessive travel letting the damping work properly.

    The forks problems are two fold (both spring rate and damping) and so until the emulators came along were not much better even with the correct springs.

    Good suspension people can make the front fork damping work better by welding and drilling new holes in the right places.

    I believe the BBR fork spring is a bit long with the emulators as less sag is the result. If you were a heavy rider (200lb) it probably wouldn't be a problem.

    keep on posting.
    Ray
    Australia

    CRF230F 2004
    C30F Power Up needle
    Mains 132
    Idle 45
    2 turns out
    Baffle out, Screens In

    It starts,it runs,it gets to where all CRFs can get to without the valve or valve plate dramas
  • mdtoney
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    by mdtoney » Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:19 am

    Don't get bummed - sometimes these projects take a while. I don't know how common the forks are in New Zealand, but if you are looking in other areas, US ebay has them regularly for $200-$300 USD for the fork legs, and $300-$400 for forks & triples.

    The 230 is VERY heavy - it is 69 pounds (31 kg) heavier than a CRF150RB! And the average 150R rider is small and weighs about 100 pounds (65 kg). You WILL want to take the new forks to a suspension shop and have them set up for your weight & riding style. I'm sure the forks will need stiffer springs and probably different valving.

    I did the conversion for my wife's 230, not for me. She rides trails and desert terrain. I installed stiffer springs and they work great for her.
  • silstarnz
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    by silstarnz » Wed Oct 05, 2011 6:54 pm

    Aussiecrf230 wrote:silstarnz,
    What is your intended use of the bike.
    It may look cool with the USD fork but it may be overkill depending on use.

    No matter what forks you end up using, the correct rate springs are the first thing that must be sorted out.

    That goes for both front and rear of the bike.

    If the springs are not right for your riding weight the bike will never handle and ride well.

    I sincerly doubt any bike is delivered with the correct rate springs to suit most of us who ride, so don't feel that it is just a CRF230F problem.

    I am going to correct rate (heavier) springs and fork emulators as I only ride trails, so I am after better handling/comfort. I have no need to jump triples so can't justify the dearer suspension.

    The rear shock responds well when the correct spring is fitted as the spring does it's job and stops excessive travel letting the damping work properly.

    The forks problems are two fold (both spring rate and damping) and so until the emulators came along were not much better even with the correct springs.

    Good suspension people can make the front fork damping work better by welding and drilling new holes in the right places.

    I believe the BBR fork spring is a bit long with the emulators as less sag is the result. If you were a heavy rider (200lb) it probably wouldn't be a problem.

    keep on posting.


    Hi Aussiecrf230,
    my main issue is that i have almost stuffed my wrist now from the bike and i believe its due to the front forks.
    I use to have issues with the forks bottoming out and then honda put a 1'' spacers in them and now they dont bottom out although I need new seals every 6-12 months and i dont even ride that oftern...

    Also if i go up a steep hill since putting the works shock in the back and the factor forks on the front the front tends to slowly sag down and then all of a sudden they spring out mainly when going over ruts which means in need to slow down or it throws me off the bike.

    I want to make my bike more capable of keeping up with the bigger bikes i know its not a racing but it would be nice to be able to kit a bump without the whole front fork swashing up instead of going over the bump and then givving me sore ribs :)

    Thanks for your responce I am prepared to try anything

    I can only afford to do it once[/b]
  • silstarnz
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    by silstarnz » Wed Oct 05, 2011 6:57 pm

    mdtoney wrote:Don't get bummed - sometimes these projects take a while. I don't know how common the forks are in New Zealand, but if you are looking in other areas, US ebay has them regularly for $200-$300 USD for the fork legs, and $300-$400 for forks & triples.

    The 230 is VERY heavy - it is 69 pounds (31 kg) heavier than a CRF150RB! And the average 150R rider is small and weighs about 100 pounds (65 kg). You WILL want to take the new forks to a suspension shop and have them set up for your weight & riding style. I'm sure the forks will need stiffer springs and probably different valving.

    I did the conversion for my wife's 230, not for me. She rides trails and desert terrain. I installed stiffer springs and they work great for her.


    So what weight springs should i use do you recon BBR .446's or reger .46? or something else sorry i dont know how to do the calculations my self.

    what year model front brake hose did you end up using can i use the factor crf230f bolts to bolt the line on?
  • Aussiecrf230
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    by Aussiecrf230 » Thu Oct 06, 2011 4:58 am

    The BBR spring I am going to put in the front are .53 to suit weight of the 230. This would seem about right and looks like we are all about the same weight.

    Once you have worked out which fork setup the budget will let you do then worry about spring rates.
    Ray
    Australia

    CRF230F 2004
    C30F Power Up needle
    Mains 132
    Idle 45
    2 turns out
    Baffle out, Screens In

    It starts,it runs,it gets to where all CRFs can get to without the valve or valve plate dramas
  • mdtoney
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    by mdtoney » Thu Oct 06, 2011 10:19 am

    silstarnz wrote:So what weight springs should i use do you recon BBR .446's or reger .46? or something else sorry i dont know how to do the calculations my self.

    what year model front brake hose did you end up using can i use the factor crf230f bolts to bolt the line on?


    I don't know how to do the calculations either. I would recommend calling a suspension shop and tell them what you are doing. They will make a spring recommendation after asking you some questions.

    I put .42 springs in my wife's 230. I weigh about the same as you. It feels ok if I don't ride it aggressively - your suspension guy will probably recommend heavier springs and a re-valve.

    For the brake hose, I used a late model CR125 brake line - I don't remember the year (2001? 2002?). It bolted on with the 230 bolts, no problem.
    I used a longer brake hose because I added a headlight to the bike. The brake line runs up the side and behind the top of the headlight, (like a 250/450X) instead of running across the front of the number plate. If you use the stock number plate, you should be able to use the stock brake hose.

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